Marines under fire for flying $80M F-35 over SC during thunderstorm when report shows jets CAN’T handle storms: Pilot ejected due to ‘bad weather’ before jet ‘flipped’, flew 100ft above trees in ‘zombie mode’ and crashed in field https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/4183879/posts
Every Air Force pilot I’ve ever met maintains that the ONLY time you consider flying into a towering cumulus is if the enemy is spraying bullets at you.
Thunderstorms are full of updrafts and downdrafts that will overstress the airframe. More importantly, they’re full of HAIL, which will bust it up and destroy the engine. Even the hurricane hunters that go into the eye of the storm pick their way between the active cells.
September 21, 2023 at 9:09 am
Tom Stockton
The 300 – thank you for your enlightenment!
Regards,
Tom Stockton
September 21, 2023 at 10:41 am
Oldarmourer
Anytime I was on a fighter Sqn, ALL flights were grounded during Cb activity, period.
Even large heavy haulers avoid them if at all possible and the only time a pilot would consider flying into one is if there was absolutely no way around it and he couldn’t turn around or if it was a specially built research plane.
They can, will and have crashed a lot of aircraft since flight began and you can’t make them stop, stealth doesn’t work against that sort of power.
Looks like another incidence of ‘pilot error’.
As for punching out of a flyable aircraft, we had an incident where an F5 student pilot reached for the LG handle instead of the flaps, the landing gear departed the a/c at high speed and the best decision was to have the aircrew follow it.
They set it up for a steady decline into the bailout area and pulled the handles.
Neither was injured but the theory is that the blast from the seat knocked the stick, disengaging the autopilot and the a/c ended up circling the town for awhile, an F18 was ‘scrambled’, or rather it’s gun was just armed since they all carry a full 20mm load for ballast purposes, with the intention of shooting it down but by the time the 18 got there the F5 had run out of gas and crashed into a hillside right behind the hotel we were staying in since I’d just been transferred in a few days before and our married quarters weren’t ready yet. We weren’t even aware this was going on, just sitting on the balcony enjoying a day off , and I just set my coffee down and said ‘welcome to Cold lake’.
zombie mode probably means it is flying on autopilot or some form of it. Helps to keep down the amount of workload the pilot needs to do to keep track of all the other stuff he needs to do.
However, once the plane flipped over the autopilot shuts off because that is not a normal flight maneuver.
Was I able to explain it correctly, the zombie mode? I would like to know so I can correct my information if it I need to. Don’t want to have errors in my memories of things I learned when I was in Navy Aviation. So I do not steer people wrong in giving them explanations of how things work.
So didn’t the Navy pilots have to fly and land on carriers that encountered rain, fog, low visibility and sometimes storms that came up while flying? Maybe the pilots used to be better. Maybe the older aircraft were tougher, faster, stronger. Like Tomcats. When I was an airfield electrician, I was talking to a Navy pilot that had flew his F-18 in to our airport. I asked if it was as fast as the old Navy Phantoms. He said that old thing running on steam actually was faster and tougher.
Thunderstorms are to be avoided no matter what. The Navy wouldn’t launch in the middle of one, they’d sail out of it at max speed to operate. Between the windshear and hail, you just don’t fly into them if you can avoid it. Navy aircraft are at the ragged edge of the envelope when they take off, a loss of 30 knots due to windshear would put them immediately in the drink.
And ask any Navy pilot if he’d like to take on a Hornet with an F-4. They may be faster and tougher, but there’s a reason we’re not flying them anymore.
So a trained pilot riding a (mostly) horizontal missle can’t go back, over, or around a storm? Does he and Ground not have weather radar and warning mode? The answer is yes to all of that. More to it, like I said.
We’ve had detailed reason by some of our experienced members here about jet jockey fear and avoidance of thunderstorms…makes me wonder; we’ve got a major bomb/training range a few miles from us and training missions from all over the southeast are constantly playfighting overhead, and most commonly when there is a total blackout from big clouds so that we can’t see them just hear them from every direction as they get their dogfight on…they are actively and intentionally flying and training blind! What the hell is the difference in that and what happened in SC?
You don’t dogfight in the blind. They’re probably fighting above the cloud deck. As for bombing, you can do radar bombing in the blind, but not visual.
GPS bombing, I couldn’t tell you. We didn’t have those when I was in, although I expect that can be done in the blind too.
September 21, 2023 at 10:44 pm
ULTRA-MAGA TOP DAWG JTC
Couldn’t tell you how shocked I am about that…just came in from walking the old dachsie and they were at it again up there, heavy enough cloud cover that you might only get a snatch of a strobe here and there as they made wide circles and sometimes zip across to get behind, all apparently orchestrated by a larger mother ship making larger circles over the area. Very loud and constant but as I said only visible as tiny blinks far above, I guess all taking place above the weather, and yet it seems like it is unstable weather and low to no visibility that brings them out, weird and I am so surprised at this bizarre truth…
September 21, 2023 at 10:55 am
ULTRA-MAGA TOP DAWG JTC
Poland pulling out of that orchestrated war zone. Us next.
So of course that fatigue-clad actor playing at running a war is already on the way to Washington to plead for MORE MORE MORE to offset Poland and the parade of other nearby countries who are waking up to the scam..
Indeed. And with the NG at El Paso now and Trump/DeSantis promising military intervention, there could be an end to the invasion. But not if the elites who are bringing them in as voter/worker replacements can help it. Already Biden is doing an end-around to allow legal status to a shit-ton of invaders who are already among us; ostensibly for work but there is no verification of intent so do doubt a goodly contingent of thugs and drugs will be given carte blanche to do what they do…
Castro- – – – -Arafat- – – – -Zelenski- – – – -it seems all of them had the same wardrobe advisors, just with slightly different utility uniforms. They’re similar in a few other ways, as well!
Regarding the invasion, here is an interesting take … many of the millions of illegals will want to work, many won’t. Of the millions who do seek employment some will work off the books. The others will get a fake SS ID and get a job that pays FedGov taxes(FIT, SS, etc).
The democRat spin will be that since SS will be bankrupt at some point in the future, all the new taxpayers will help to keep SS solvent for decades to come. Total bull-shiite of course but expect that spin during voting season.
Don’t worry about it Greg; recent studies show that being vaxxed and fully boosted cuts 24 years off your life. Even double jabbed and boosted once is good for at least 15 years off. Nobody is going to be collecting any SS retirement money in another decade or so.
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Said it before; more to it.
They are not operated by affirmative action hires, either.
Bet they can operate during storms too.
Marines under fire for flying $80M F-35 over SC during thunderstorm when report shows jets CAN’T handle storms: Pilot ejected due to ‘bad weather’ before jet ‘flipped’, flew 100ft above trees in ‘zombie mode’ and crashed in field https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/4183879/posts
Every Air Force pilot I’ve ever met maintains that the ONLY time you consider flying into a towering cumulus is if the enemy is spraying bullets at you.
I’ll risk showing my ignorance here… if I’m wrong, politely straighten me out.
“Hmmm, an F-35 can’t fly during storms? Doesn’t sound like much of an all-weather fighter to me.”
Regards,
Tom Stockton
Thunderstorms are full of updrafts and downdrafts that will overstress the airframe. More importantly, they’re full of HAIL, which will bust it up and destroy the engine. Even the hurricane hunters that go into the eye of the storm pick their way between the active cells.
The 300 – thank you for your enlightenment!
Regards,
Tom Stockton
Anytime I was on a fighter Sqn, ALL flights were grounded during Cb activity, period.
Even large heavy haulers avoid them if at all possible and the only time a pilot would consider flying into one is if there was absolutely no way around it and he couldn’t turn around or if it was a specially built research plane.
They can, will and have crashed a lot of aircraft since flight began and you can’t make them stop, stealth doesn’t work against that sort of power.
Looks like another incidence of ‘pilot error’.
As for punching out of a flyable aircraft, we had an incident where an F5 student pilot reached for the LG handle instead of the flaps, the landing gear departed the a/c at high speed and the best decision was to have the aircrew follow it.
They set it up for a steady decline into the bailout area and pulled the handles.
Neither was injured but the theory is that the blast from the seat knocked the stick, disengaging the autopilot and the a/c ended up circling the town for awhile, an F18 was ‘scrambled’, or rather it’s gun was just armed since they all carry a full 20mm load for ballast purposes, with the intention of shooting it down but by the time the 18 got there the F5 had run out of gas and crashed into a hillside right behind the hotel we were staying in since I’d just been transferred in a few days before and our married quarters weren’t ready yet. We weren’t even aware this was going on, just sitting on the balcony enjoying a day off , and I just set my coffee down and said ‘welcome to Cold lake’.
I know. And can anyone edumacate me as to WTF “Zombie mode” means?
zombie mode probably means it is flying on autopilot or some form of it. Helps to keep down the amount of workload the pilot needs to do to keep track of all the other stuff he needs to do.
However, once the plane flipped over the autopilot shuts off because that is not a normal flight maneuver.
Was I able to explain it correctly, the zombie mode? I would like to know so I can correct my information if it I need to. Don’t want to have errors in my memories of things I learned when I was in Navy Aviation. So I do not steer people wrong in giving them explanations of how things work.
So didn’t the Navy pilots have to fly and land on carriers that encountered rain, fog, low visibility and sometimes storms that came up while flying? Maybe the pilots used to be better. Maybe the older aircraft were tougher, faster, stronger. Like Tomcats. When I was an airfield electrician, I was talking to a Navy pilot that had flew his F-18 in to our airport. I asked if it was as fast as the old Navy Phantoms. He said that old thing running on steam actually was faster and tougher.
Thunderstorms are to be avoided no matter what. The Navy wouldn’t launch in the middle of one, they’d sail out of it at max speed to operate. Between the windshear and hail, you just don’t fly into them if you can avoid it. Navy aircraft are at the ragged edge of the envelope when they take off, a loss of 30 knots due to windshear would put them immediately in the drink.
And ask any Navy pilot if he’d like to take on a Hornet with an F-4. They may be faster and tougher, but there’s a reason we’re not flying them anymore.
Yeah. Well I am just relating what he said a long time ago. I could tell a few more stories from pilots that flew fighters in.
And on a Training mission no less. There is no reason to launch into skeezy weather unless you’re bombing Tokyo.
But, gotta get that “X” in the block…
We ARE approaching the end of the fiscal year, so, yeah, fly it or lose it next year.
It doesn’t matter what man can build, how well he builds, what it costs, nature can take it out.
So a trained pilot riding a (mostly) horizontal missle can’t go back, over, or around a storm? Does he and Ground not have weather radar and warning mode? The answer is yes to all of that. More to it, like I said.
We’ve had detailed reason by some of our experienced members here about jet jockey fear and avoidance of thunderstorms…makes me wonder; we’ve got a major bomb/training range a few miles from us and training missions from all over the southeast are constantly playfighting overhead, and most commonly when there is a total blackout from big clouds so that we can’t see them just hear them from every direction as they get their dogfight on…they are actively and intentionally flying and training blind! What the hell is the difference in that and what happened in SC?
You don’t dogfight in the blind. They’re probably fighting above the cloud deck. As for bombing, you can do radar bombing in the blind, but not visual.
GPS bombing, I couldn’t tell you. We didn’t have those when I was in, although I expect that can be done in the blind too.
Couldn’t tell you how shocked I am about that…just came in from walking the old dachsie and they were at it again up there, heavy enough cloud cover that you might only get a snatch of a strobe here and there as they made wide circles and sometimes zip across to get behind, all apparently orchestrated by a larger mother ship making larger circles over the area. Very loud and constant but as I said only visible as tiny blinks far above, I guess all taking place above the weather, and yet it seems like it is unstable weather and low to no visibility that brings them out, weird and I am so surprised at this bizarre truth…
Poland pulling out of that orchestrated war zone. Us next.
So of course that fatigue-clad actor playing at running a war is already on the way to Washington to plead for MORE MORE MORE to offset Poland and the parade of other nearby countries who are waking up to the scam..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12544877/Zelensky-Washington-showdown-Republicans-McCarthy-Biden-White-House.html
“Trust me, they will get the message…”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/we-re-using-lethal-force-against-the-cartels-desantis-promises-extrajudicial-border-killings-to-combat-drug-flow/ss-AA1h2JZT?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=541a0aa44bc34bb8b17cd1aaf126562c&ei=127#image=3
Indeed. And with the NG at El Paso now and Trump/DeSantis promising military intervention, there could be an end to the invasion. But not if the elites who are bringing them in as voter/worker replacements can help it. Already Biden is doing an end-around to allow legal status to a shit-ton of invaders who are already among us; ostensibly for work but there is no verification of intent so do doubt a goodly contingent of thugs and drugs will be given carte blanche to do what they do…
Castro- – – – -Arafat- – – – -Zelenski- – – – -it seems all of them had the same wardrobe advisors, just with slightly different utility uniforms. They’re similar in a few other ways, as well!
Regarding the invasion, here is an interesting take … many of the millions of illegals will want to work, many won’t. Of the millions who do seek employment some will work off the books. The others will get a fake SS ID and get a job that pays FedGov taxes(FIT, SS, etc).
The democRat spin will be that since SS will be bankrupt at some point in the future, all the new taxpayers will help to keep SS solvent for decades to come. Total bull-shiite of course but expect that spin during voting season.
Or they’ll get fake SS numbers and birth certificates then run for president and win when all the liebrals swoon into a ‘white guilt’ mode
Don’t worry about it Greg; recent studies show that being vaxxed and fully boosted cuts 24 years off your life. Even double jabbed and boosted once is good for at least 15 years off. Nobody is going to be collecting any SS retirement money in another decade or so.