Americans, Culture Wars, Preference Cascade, Progressives, Statist Takeover ← Previous post Next post → Comments cmblake6 Dec 15 2018 at 12:11 am So. Warsaw sound familiar? But there are many more of us, with eyes open. cmblake6 Dec 15 2018 at 12:13 am I must say, however, that there is far more to The Donald than most can know. What was that about “trust the plan”? Something in my gut tells me that there is far more to this than meets the eye… Pamela Dec 15 2018 at 12:24 am There are some gates that only take in and the only way to leave is up a chimney. That happened to members of my Husband’s family by Stalin. John Dec 15 2018 at 1:22 pm A guest of Lubyanka prison perhaps? Pamela Dec 15 2018 at 3:19 pm No, an entire village in the Ukraine. Deplorable B Woodman Dec 15 2018 at 12:29 am I can’t remember the full quote, or who said it, but to the effect, “if the Jews were armed with Mauser rifles, twenty rounds, and the will to use them, Hitler would be no more than a footnote in history.” To which I can only add from the Virginia state flag, “Sic Semper Tyrannis”, “Thus Always to Tyrants”. We have the past lessons of history before us. Today is Mrs Deplorable and my 45th wedding anniversary. It’s been an interesting 45 years, with all the ups and downs that come with marriage. Every day is a blessing and a miracle on God’s earth. May we be allowed to live in peace to see another 45 years on this revolving blue marble. Swansonic Dec 15 2018 at 12:53 am Congrats and many more good years to come! The wifey and are about to hit 25. My how time flies…. interventor Dec 15 2018 at 1:19 am Aaron Zelman http://www.debbieschlussel.com/31116/aaron-zelman-great-jewish-american-fought-against-gun-control-of-blessed-memory/ Deplorable B Woodman Dec 15 2018 at 9:24 am Thank you for finding that, and him. May his name live forever, while he rests in peace. JTC Dec 15 2018 at 1:34 am Congratulations and best wishes DBW, not an easy accomplishment. I know that because Tuesday will be wifey’s and my 47th, and we won’t even be 65 until next year. Might skeert little 17 yo I was. Not a path I would suggest, but it worked out pretty well. Can’t say I’m down for another 47 though…15 maybe and I’ll be ready to head on Home. julian Dec 15 2018 at 10:20 am Congratulations and God bless y’all. May the years ahead be even better than those past, And that quote has been attributed to many, but was often quoted by the late Aaron Zelman, and our old friend Mike Vanderboegh in a slightly different form, as in “If every Jew had a rifle, ten rounds of ammunition, and the will to use it…” etc. Old Codger Dec 15 2018 at 11:27 am Congrats, DBW. MRS Codger and I are a year ahead of you. I have no expectation of another 45 years (don’t wanna live that long – although it would let us pay off the mortgage finally) but I don’t believe that the current Republic will last more than a quarter of that. Fortunately (or UN with the way the leftards are acting) my pacemaker check yesterday indicated that the current one is good for another 11.75 years. So at least the leftards can’t kill me by refusing to authorize another pacemaker (damned things are only good for a decade or so then they have to be replaced) till possibly 2030 now. WayneM Dec 15 2018 at 6:02 pm Congrats, D.B.W… My parents celebrated their 60th in October and I used the occasion to propose to my girlfriend… now fiance… The nuclear family remains the foundation of western societies. We need to secure our borders and start breeding again instead of importing… LowKey Dec 15 2018 at 9:43 pm The missus and I will hit our 10 year mark tomorrow, marrying her was the best thing I’ve ever done. As a LEGAL immigrant, from Thailand, she is both thrilled by our 2A (got her CCW in her 1st year here, hooked on shooting suppressed now) and infuriated by illegal immigrants. It seems my lady gets more of why our founding fathers set things up the way they did than the lions share of the under 30 crowd in the US. Poppa_T Dec 15 2018 at 10:43 pm My Grandpa and Grandma celebrated their 76th this year, unfortunately we just lost Pa-paw recently, you are blessed to have 45 and I’m praying you do get that 45 more. It was really something to see my 96 yo grandfather grab my grandmas backside if he didn’t think anyone was looking. He fought for us, and his descendants do to this day. One of his great grandsons is 4th bat recon and another is in the Corps at A&M. Semper Fi Brother https://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/obituary/wb-lindsey?fh_id=10503 Deplorable B Woodman Dec 15 2018 at 12:32 am Zed, the Socialists haven’t left you at the starting gate. They’ve opened the gates and are……. “encouraging” ………you to enter. “Welcome in. Take a shower” RHT447 Dec 15 2018 at 12:44 am I have walked the grounds of Dachau. The following is in quotes because I wrote it on another blog some years ago. “I was stationed in (formerly) West Germany during the mid-70’s. During a weeklong R&R, my buddy and I decided to take a tour of Dachau. For me, it proved to be an epiphany, although not for the reasons anyone might think at first. My father was a B17 pilot during WWII and flew 35 combat missions over Europe. Among other things, this sparked my keen interest in WWII history, so I had read about the concentration camps long before I went on the tour. It’s times like this that I wish I had a better command of the English language. The best I can come up with to describe the tour is that it brings on a cascade of emotions, some seemingly contradictory. The first thing we saw was this– http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp#mediaviewer/File:Arbeit_Macht_Frei_Dachau_8235.jpg –which translates to “Work will make (you) free.” It is both grotesque propaganda and macabre prophecy. It was a bright, sunny day that seemed somehow inappropriate for the occasion and at the same time a reminder that life moves on. Everyone on the tour speaks in quiet voices, walks softly, as if at a funeral, which is as it should be. One side of your brain digests all the numbers and photos and other input, while the other side just cannot wrap itself around the totality of horror that went on there for years. At the same time, I felt a sense of pride that I wore the uniform of one of the armies that put an end to it. When I was there, the ovens were still in place, doors open, with ash still inside. There was a simple rope barrier about five feet in front. A metallic glint caught my eye in one of the ovens, and as I leaned over the rope for a closer look, I saw that it was an expended camera flash cube. Someone had tossed their trash into an oven at Dachau. Thus came my epiphany. The battle against evil is not over, will never be over. Evil will always be aided by apathy and willful ignorance, and fueled mostly by envy and greed. I agree with the old saw that there is nothing new under the sun. However, there are new generations who need to be taught their history.” Yes, it can happen again. The question is, do enough of us have the will to stop it. interventor Dec 15 2018 at 1:17 am Been there, as well. Its a sobering tour. Some anti-Catholics claim that the Catholics were in on the Holocaust. I simply mention that over 990 Catholic priests were slaughtered at Dachau. Usually silences them. BTW, I’m protestant. MasterDiver Dec 15 2018 at 9:52 am A cousin of my grandfather was one of those. He stayed in the old country when most of the family emigrated after WW I. Zar Belk! Old Codger Dec 15 2018 at 12:02 pm My wife’s Father was top gunner on a B-24. Got shot down over Poland and was a “guest” – all expenses paid – of the 3rd Reich in one of those “resort communities” the Germans operated in Poland. He was even “allowed” to do some winter camping. Google “German Death March” to see what a “wonderful” time he and his buddies had hiking around in the winter. I don’t know if the libtards have the stones (or stomach) for outright death camps but I do expect them to trigger AR2.0/CW2.0 within a few years of Mr Trump leaving office. If Pence is able to succeed him (a la Reagan/Bush) that will merely postpone what I consider to be the inevitable. I do not see how it can be avoided. Unfortunately, what is coming is going to resemble the Revolution or the Civil War from the Southern perspective. It will also resemble Iraq and Afghanistan in that it will be more of an insurgency than set piece battles. I hope everyone here who has a friend or a relative or a relative/friend of a friend will spread the word about Oath Keepers (.org) to try and get as many active duty and retired military and law enforcement on board with the principles of OK. If we could get enough of them on board, the leftards wouldn’t have enough minions to carry out their plans. Will C Dec 15 2018 at 7:44 pm Excellent post. Will C Dec 15 2018 at 7:46 pm Well-written post. Thank you. kadaka Dec 15 2018 at 1:17 am Is our long American nightmare finally over? Federal judge in Texas rules Affordable Health Care Act unconstitutional “The opinion by U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor overturns all of the sprawling law nationwide.” Delilah T Dec 15 2018 at 1:31 am You can’t take your eyes off The Them for even a second. They think they have the upper hand. They are wrong. But they WILL get it if we are asleep at the wheel for even a brief period. Bill g Dec 15 2018 at 6:39 am Their constant method is incrementalism; an inch here, and inch there, always something “reasonable” or “for the children” or “to save one life”. And constantly denying the end-game so successfully that many of their voters believe them. JTC Dec 15 2018 at 1:40 am Good to remember there’s all kinds of communities, all kinds of gates, and all kinds of keys…it’s up to us to decide which kind ours are. Most important are the Pearly ones at the end of the line. interventor Dec 15 2018 at 1:55 am Better the Pearly Gates and an interview with an old Jewish fisherman. Than one with the sign, “Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here.” Fox2! Dec 15 2018 at 2:25 am That’s the toughest job interview you’ll ever have. But the benefits are ….Heavenly. Old Codger Dec 15 2018 at 2:14 am I have read the text of the red flag bill and it is troubling though no precisely as Chris has depicted it in today’s strip. It is amazingly brief. only a few hundred words. and yet it contains some room for real tyranny. While it does appear to at least pay lip service to due process – an official wanting to confiscate a weapon must get a warrant based upon “probable cause” and a hearing must be held within 3 weeks of the seizure where the burden of proof is on the state to prove by preponderance of evidence that the person from whom truly does present a danger to himself or others – depending upon the judge being asked for the initial warrant or the judge hearing the state’s case “probable cause” or “preponderance of evidence” might not be all that high a bar. I also saw nothing indicating penalties for the state failing to meet specified deadlines. Finally, there is a loophole in the requirement for getting a warrant for “exigent circumstances”. While the term “exigent circumstances” is a standard term, there is no language in the bill which defines what might or (more importantly) might NOT constitute “exigent circumstances”. I did NOT see anything which on the surface could be used to “SWAT” someone. It should be noted also the new federal statute does not empower anyone to confiscate anything. The Federal statute merely offers financial incentives for the several STATES to enact their own individual “red flag” laws and follow the framework suggested in the federal statute. It will be entirely up to the legislators at the state level to include disincentives for failure to meet deadlines. One of the more unsettling aspects is that the federal bill was sponsored by a republican and that of her 15 co-sponsors the majority were also republicans. I must say that I found it more than a bit unsettling that most of the sponsors were NOT leftards. Currently the house bill, H.R. 5717: Jake Laird Act of 2018 is sitting more or less in suspended animation having been referred to committee on 9 May of 2018. (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr5717) There is a similar bill in the senate S. 2521: Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2018 which WAS submitted by a DemonKKKRat. (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s2521) According to GovTrack, the odds on the house bill passing are 50 to 1 against. However the entry for that bill has not been updated post midterms. I sent an email requesting they reevaluate the odds on those two bills passage. Chris Muir Dec 15 2018 at 10:46 am Yup.It is a subjective-based ‘law’ not an empirical one.It is designed to be a weapon, and it was passed by Republican Rick Scott, and is backed by Trump and the NRA.Well, at least we have them surrounded! Norm Dec 15 2018 at 11:39 am The only comments I’ve seen by the NRA itself (as opposed to what the media says about the NRA) have been very much against these new “Red Flag” laws. Our wonderful new NJ governor from Boston and Wall Street has just signed one in NJ along with a few others. http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/new-jersey-gun-control-rights-murphy-law-20181204.html The NRA branch, http://www.anjrpc.org , has been very vocal about it. Right now, the major legal battle has been about the new ten round limit on magazine capacity. https://www.nraila.org/articles/20181206/new-jersey-third-circuit-court-refuses-to-stop-unconstitutional-magazine-ban But the preemptive confiscation law is next. The NRA most certainly does NOT back or support these laws. That anyone would say that is an indication of the effective propaganda spread by the democrat cheerleaders in the media. Here’s an article on NY State’s possible future. Note the one-liner allowed to the state’s NRA branch. https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/politics/albany/2018/11/30/gun-control-ny-democratic-control/2151575002/ JTC Dec 15 2018 at 12:37 pm OC if you are disturbed that this thing is sponsored by pubs then note as Chris says that the Scott package in Fla includes this seizure provision plus other arguably more anti-Constitutional ones…this from a guy who had heretofore been pretty solidly conservative. What happened is he got the piss scared out of him when Parkland happened on his watch and jeopardized his senate campaign. Then he took DT’s preemptive lip service that was meant to placate the progs literally and way jumped the gun on restrictions irrelevant to that attack and turned gun-rights pioneer Florida into one of the most restrictive in the country, the idiot. That lack of grok of hyperbole, poor judgment, and craven self-interest is why I’ve said I would have been fine with keeping the dim corpse Nelson for another senate term. None of which is to say as Chris just did that Trump in any concrete fashion backs actual gun restrictions, talk is one thing but action is the measurement, that’s the art of the deal, but the only real measure with his support is the imminent junk bumpfire stock ban which has been dragged out since LV until Parkland and Scott stirred it back up. Still, it is being implemented and I am convinced that once again it is involved in a long game to set up the Supreme Court to decide the unconstitutionality of it and other things once there is a dependable majority there after the demise of Ginsberg…right now Roberts is a joke and Kavanaugh has me a little worried, we’ll see what happens in the runup to ’20 which I think is the master plan. NRA too for its part filed suit against the age limit provison of Scott’s package and they have otherwise followed Trump’s lead pretty closely on what to say and how to say it without actually condoning any specific limitations…other than the bumpstock. But they too have me a little worried as like any large special interest org they are slipping off into something smacking of deadly unionism, so take that for what it’s worth. cmblake6 Dec 15 2018 at 10:39 pm I’m looking at your derivation of intent to be pretty damn spot on, JTC. Set ’em up, knock ’em down. billrla Dec 15 2018 at 1:08 pm The Reg Flag laws originated in California, after the shooting in Santa Barbara, involving young people near UCSB, where the disturbed son of liberal parents had his worst and final fatal psychotic break with realilty. The liberal parents were understandably distraught and also felt terrible guilty and conflicted, thus, their family’s problem and their son’s problem became “the peoples” problem, because…liberalism. Just take away the guns and all the family problems and psychosis will magically go away. Cap'n Frank Dec 15 2018 at 11:28 am “Preponderance of the Evidence” is a standard of proof usually used in civil cases. Judges often use the scales of justice in describing it: “If the evidence is placed upon the scales, and the scales tip ever so slightly in favor of the Plaintiff, then the Plaintiff has met the burden of proving his case; if the scales remain even or tip in favor of the Defendant, then the Plaintiff has not proved his case.” The normal standard of proof in a criminal case is “Beyond a Reasonable Doubt”, which is a far more rigorous standard. The fact that the “Red Flag” authors have chosen the less rigorous standard for infringing on Constitutional Rights is chilling. Pete231 Dec 15 2018 at 2:37 am As a former Mercedes tech here in CO, I found it rather ironic that a lot of people of the Jewish persuasion drove German cars. And, the company I worked for was owned by a group of Yiddish capitalists down in Florida. Go figure. Arbeit macht frei………. NotYetInACamp Dec 15 2018 at 3:55 am https://www.theblaze.com/news/venezuela-took-citizens-guns-by-force-now-the-people-are-regretful-and-helpless-against-oppression cz93x62 Dec 15 2018 at 5:23 am I won’t be boarding any boxcars. I suspect most of Chris Muir’s readership is of like mind, and equipped to resist. 3%. Molon labe. warhorse Dec 15 2018 at 6:21 am no matter how nice a socialist says the camp is…NEVER get into the cattle car! interventor Dec 15 2018 at 9:39 am Lots of our GIs used the 8 and 40s box cars to cross France in WWi and WWII. Bill g Dec 15 2018 at 6:54 am Nuke’em Swalwell was using hyperbole when he pointed out that his bee-luvved gummint has nukes, but I’d like to hear him explain what level of military force he is advocating be used against those who do not want to give up their guns. And he is, of course, only after semi-auto rifles. Now. Kafiroon Dec 15 2018 at 9:50 am Just suppose… One of our anti 1st – anti 2nd Amendment “Citizens” decides to observe and record license numbers at a gun shop, range or show. Or maybe gets the list of concealed carry people. Then starts calling red flag reports on all those s/he has identified. Next, the “officials” start going around on those calls slowly. Will our news even listen to those that have been “raided”? If a number are killed, we might hear about it. bill3542 Dec 15 2018 at 9:46 am these liberal socialists/communists really do want a civil war… and it will end very badly for them, i just hope our nation will survive it. Halley Dec 15 2018 at 10:11 am It is not difficult to explain why Socialism is unconstitutional. Not just unconstitutional, but antithetical to every human right the Constitution stands for. So the question is: why do Republicans let Democrats get away with their clearly unconstitutional schemes and ideology, their constant More Socialism! push to the edge of the cliff..? It’s not that they can’t explain its illegality, so.. could it be complicity? The 300 Dec 15 2018 at 11:12 am Everything starts to make sense when you accept the premise that the Democrats would rather be the lords of a third world dump instead of the loyal minority opposition in a prosperous nation and that the Republicans have no problem with this arrangement as long as they get a piece of the action. Amon-Ra Dec 15 2018 at 10:28 am What a stroke of genius to combine ‘starting gate’ w the shadow of the Auschwitz gate. What a creative mind. Richard Dec 15 2018 at 10:32 am My brother and I visited Buchenwald. He said something very interesting when we walked through that gate – “A beautiful place to die”. I am a Citizen-Taxpayer, I am not a subject! Latest estimate on Gun ownership is 600,000,000 guns and 12,000,000,000,000 (12 Trillion) rounds of ammunition in private hands. Our goal should be 1 Trillion Guns and 40 trillion rounds. If they keep pushing these laws there will be a breaking point and Citizens will be carrying openly. What are THEY going to do then? PaulS Dec 15 2018 at 11:26 am 20,000 rounds per gun? I am skeptical. Is this figure for the USA? I easily accept an average of 2 guns per citizen of the US, even with half the population owning none, still, that ammo figure seems a bit inflated. We need a lot of ammo FOR practice, but very little IN practice. For example, we fired thousands of rounds from our.22’s during the year, but only 1 for each game animal in hunting season, I had a box of 30-30 that lasted longer than my hunting career with the rifle. Still shoot between 5k-10k rounds a year for recreation and training, but 20k/gun still seems outlandish, IMO. Frankly I would be happy if it were true. Norm Dec 15 2018 at 11:47 am As a competition shooter in both bullseye pistol and high power rifle, I easily have that much ammunition at any one time. If you want to count as yet unassembled reloading components, the number goes much farther up. Competitors in the action pistol sports shoot much more than I do. Trap and skeet competitors also have a high round count. I saw a picture of a guy standing next to a pallet of shotgun ammo in his garage. His caption was “This will do for most of the year.” PaulS Dec 16 2018 at 11:38 am Per gun?! Pistol and Rifle so at least Two for you, 40k rounds on hand, okay. Competitor, spare of each, 80k. Probably a serious carry piece or 3, now we’re at 120,000-140,000 rounds. And that’s only for 6 or 7 guns owned, I don’t think I know any enthusiast with that few, most all have a “good “ ammunition supply, but not 20k per gun. Chris Muir Dec 15 2018 at 11:18 am Something Wicked this Way Comes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKZ3wz6yC3Y JTC Dec 15 2018 at 1:10 pm The (proposed) implementation of a national standard as opposed to a state by state hodgepodge would subject legitimate law enforcement taking of firearms from the nutjobs who have committed virtually all of these attacks and enabled the blood-dancing that follows to a Constitutional standard that will be challenged up to SCOTUS…could there be a better way to prevent the abuses that Trump pretends to support than by getting a ruling on constitutionality going forward decades instead of a few years? Again, past actual results as opposed to intentional hype and misdirection have me convinced that there is indeed a long game plan. But the commenter is absolutely correct that our concern and effort has to be aimed at rinos and naive “conservatives” like Scott from buying that hype and doing stupid shit out of pure fear and self-preservation…they don’t have the insight of The Donald (who does?) and have to be educated by him and us as to the plan, Chris muir Dec 15 2018 at 4:09 pm https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/02/28/trump-says-take-guns-early-without-due-process.html JTC Dec 15 2018 at 4:53 pm Yes I saw that the day it was said, 2/28. It is the basis of my comment above, making my point exactly as to hype that he knew and we know cannot be implemented but apparently Scott did not…ignore the words, watch the action. Willie k Dec 15 2018 at 11:42 am When a few of those who would seize the guns don’t make it home that night, and a couple of lamp posts get decorated with their very own black robes, this position may be reconsidered. I feel sure the PTB will be surprised there is actual resistance to their effort at providing “public safety”. Robert Gehrig Dec 15 2018 at 12:00 pm We call someone with just 2 guns a poor arizonan. I have at least 2000 rounds per calibre Chris Muir Dec 15 2018 at 12:50 pm No, you don’t.You lost all that hardware when you went fishing with them and they fell overboard. Pamela Dec 15 2018 at 8:22 pm Those nasty brass eating mutant termites ate all your ammo. kadaka Dec 15 2018 at 1:12 pm Anything you say or write can and will be used against you in a court of law or administrative process. Allowing the State to Search Gun Seekers’ Social-Media Accounts Is a Terrible Idea A New York state senator has introduced a bill that would require all gun-permit applicants to allow their social-media accounts and search history to be evaluated before receiving a handgun permit. kadaka Dec 15 2018 at 3:18 pm Florida will likely drown but officials want to make sure you can drive your boat between launches. A Florida Town’s Plan To Fight Global Warming Could Destroy Home Values Miami Beach officials plan on elevating public roads in the neighborhood of Lakeview, and many others, from less than 2 feet above sea level to at least 3.7 feet above sea level. The work is necessary to prevent rising ocean levels, an effect of global warming, from swamping the city by 2060, experts say. Residents in Lakeview have formed a new homeowner’s group to resist the plan. Raising the roads will disrupt the neighborhood’s drainage system, forcing runoff into homes’ front yards and flooding foundations. kadaka Dec 15 2018 at 3:33 pm PS, if you raise road and sidewalk 2 feet, by ADA ramp guidelines of a maximum rise of 1:12, you’d need at least another 24 feet of ramp to get up to the sidewalk. NotYetInACamp Dec 15 2018 at 9:51 pm That area may be pumped up fill out of Biscayne Bay back in the 1910’s and 1920’s, as large parts of Miami Beach are. The building we owned at 5th Street and Lennox Court was built on pilings. Lennox Court receded over two while the family owned the building. An addition on the North side also receded around 3 feet compared to the fixed original building from 1940 to 2000. Much of the area on Miami Beach that was filled with the bay muck and sand already was Mangrove forest muck. Vegetative matter reduces in size as it decomposes, and some dissolves into the ground water. I can’t say how much of the problems coastal communities with dredged fill on them is due to this fact, but it has effected them more so than any have admitted. Rising tides requiring complete government control of the carbon cycle including control of all humans fits their narratives better than land fill facts. I knew many people in Lakeview back when. Progressive governments often rid themselves of their institutional memories, and of facts that are relevant to wise decisions. Miami Beach had socialists on its commission when socialists were not cool. (Like Bernie and bug eyed Octonut are cool?) Delilah T Dec 15 2018 at 6:52 pm What we NEED is a president who OWNS guns, has a state license and CCW, and gets a WDC CCW permit and a VA state CCW permit, and gets range time in on a regular basis. The lack of due process in all of these proposals is far more of a concern than anything else. BATFE is notorious for NOT getting search warrants and for entrapping people, and damaging their property. There IS a solution to this, you know. Put your minds to work. NotYetInACamp Dec 15 2018 at 8:03 pm https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/new-jersey-declares-war-its-residents-plans-door-door-gun-confiscation-campaign ” All this raises an important question: How much blood are New Jersey State Police officers willing to shed in order to establish absolute power over the (disarmed) citizens? And who, exactly, is suicidal enough to run these door-to-door confiscation raids, demanding citizens turn over the very hardware they need to defend themselves against New Jersey government tyrants? ” Good question. Pamela Dec 15 2018 at 8:24 pm I’d say it’s time for some special recall elections. JTC Dec 15 2018 at 8:42 pm They won’t come for them. Or for the bumpfire stocks. But banning possession of either is a method of creating felonies and felons…which are essentially exempted from several critical Constitutional protections and relegated to second-class citizens under defacto house arrest…no guns, no votes in most places, no protection from warrantless search, they will own your ass to do with what they please. JTC Dec 15 2018 at 8:46 pm And to be clear, that felony status triggered by possession of a magazine? Makes you a felon nationwide with rights stripped. Mike Mulligan Dec 15 2018 at 9:19 pm WOLVERINE! NotYetInACamp Dec 15 2018 at 9:54 pm Best to win the war before we have to WOLVERINE! kadaka Dec 16 2018 at 12:07 am Tú no comprendes. Adiós. kadaka Dec 16 2018 at 12:09 am Whoops, comment replied to already deleted. That’s twice now. I’ll have to get used to reloading before posting a reply. Lyle Dec 17 2018 at 12:29 am “Our goal should be 1 Trillion Guns and 40 trillion rounds.” 40 rounds per gun? OK; someone kind of sucks at numbers. Of course, with, say, 300 million people and a trillion guns, that’s more than three thousand guns per person. I suppose that if I’m carrying three thousand guns, I don’t want more than 120,000 rounds (3,000 x 40) of ammunition to have to carry along with them. That much ammo gets heavy after a bit. On the other hand, I might prefer to carry fewer guns and more ammo– I can usually only fire no more than about 347 guns simultaneously. Seriously though; at some point the number of guns you have becomes irrelevant. You can interpret that any way you like; all the interpretations are probably still valid. For example, say we have 300 million guns and a trillion rounds in the U.S. Some estimates of the number of guns in private hands put it much higher. If owning all those guns hasn’t made us free, living and thriving in a 100% libertarian world, then how many more guns will? Answer; it’s a stupid question. There isn’t a number, because the guns themselves only serve the purposes of their demoralized, distracted, lost, un-grounded, directionless, selfish, sensual, flabby, hypocritical and fearful owners. (You can tell I have lots of friends, can’t you) Reply Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.